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Jan 13, 2023·edited Jan 13, 2023Liked by Rob (c137)

Excellent. To my way of thinking, the the Asch Conformity Experiments are even more apropos to our moment and diagnose the problem with a scary precision: https://mistermicawber.substack.com/i/51858363/groupthink-dynamics-one-of-the-most-powerful-forces-on-earth

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Interesting and hopeful point - perhaps all their psy ops campaigns and nudge units are based on such irreproduceable plans and are doomed to fail..

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"Who the hell is this guy reading my entire archive? Oh, he's got some articles."

So, these studies are near and dear to my heart, and apparently a lot of people talk about them these days. At one point, everyone had to watch the Milgram videos in grad school. That's good, but I sometimes worry we're oversimplifying both their implications and their original outcomes.

What you don't often hear about the Milgram experiments is that they WERE re-run several times over the next couple years in a number of different contexts, with broadly similar results, but these results are questionable. At least one researcher who reviewed Milgram's data estimated that over half the subjects either knew the experiment wasn't real or believed it to be some kind of theater by design. There's also the usual accusations of data manipulation, which the last three years should show anyone is a thing that happens a lot.

Don't get me wrong; Milgram and Stanford were trying to get a clear look at real darkness, but this is stuff that's very hard to generate unnaturally. If anything, I find the Stanford study more credible BECAUSE it was "unsuccessful"- by spinning disastrously out of control it proved the thesis better than a nice set of data might have.

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Let's hope the Peeps will learn SOMETHING from all this, for the future!

Like, how to recognize a RAT in human's clothing...

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Jul 3, 2023Liked by Rob (c137)

'The truth is that in experiments the methods are determined with the knowledge and experience at the time.'

Add to that, the *desired result*, which can, consciously or unconsciously, influence the study design. Just because the study is an RCT (the so-called "gold standard") doesn't mean it's good. The study design and results need to be examined by many others to find possible flaws.

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"I’m feeling optimistic, but am still being a realist."

It's called being an Apocaloptimist (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-mainstream-straddler#%C2%A7apocaloptimism), otherwise known as practicing the Stockdale Paradox and Confront the Brutal Facts, and it is exactly the attitude we need to have to triumph:

• “Letter to My Karass” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-my-karass)

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“The truth is that in experiments the methods are determined with the knowledge and experience at the time. They could have had limitations or errors that were not known at the time. Just because it’s checked by others and in a book does it make it true? “

Hence the “agreed upon “science” and “misinformation” of today, by “fact-checkers” (most of whom are in the same age group/mentality mode of this time); they, influenced by the current ideology believe if their like-minded tribe ascribes to it (for tribal survival reasons) it it truth. They see no other truths that were postulated using same mentality/tribal parameters generations prior as worthy of even thought. Scary, actually, that, based on this repetitive activity, humanity hasn’t killed itself off sooner.

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Hello Rob:

James Corbett does an excellent job of deconstructing the Milgram experiments. And the Asch conformity tests. It turns out that in both, if someone stood up to authority in some way, then the obedience and conformity was far FAR less likely to happen. **Far less!**

So... I've inferred that the focus in our 'popular' press and hence understanding of these experiments has been a deliberate form of predictive programming by focused inattention and misdirection to undermine how much power the individual actually has to affect positive societal outcomes.

Fascinating stuff. All the best.

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I'm sorry Rob... You must be Blind.

OPERATION COVIDIUS showed how easy it was for them to CONTROL the global herds of modern moron slaves: From lockdowns, to self-confinement, to wearing the useless muzzles to getting injected with an experimental toxic mRNA spew multiple times.

The herds of modern moron slaves OBEYED it all. This experiment was/is even funnier than the milgram one cause in this one the subject is wiling to cull himself!

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